Guardian forum examines who San Francisco is building housing for

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Our original intention for “Housing for Whom?” — a Bay Guardian community forum tomorrrow night (Wed/23) at the LGBT Center — was to look at the hottest items on an otherwise lackluster fall election: Propositions B and C, which would allow a controversial waterfront luxury condo project to be build at 8 Washington St.

So we booked key proponents on the each side the measure: Jon Golinger, president of the Telegraph Hill Dwellers and a key opponent of the project; and Tim Colen of the Housing Action Coalition, one of three proponents of Prop. B. We’re excited to hear what they have to say and to discuss the measures.

But in the weeks since then, there’s been explosion of public concern over the related issues of gentrification and evictions, accompanied by a renewal of progressive activism that has scored some notable victories, all of its set against a skylight of construction cranes building a glut of high-end housing in Upper Market and other areas.

So we’ve decided to broaden our discussion to look at the implications of the city’s current housing and economic development policies, examining what the San Francisco of the the future will look like if we continue on our current course and what can be done to control our destiny.

To help guide that discussion, our panel will also include Fred Sherburn-Zimmer, an activist with the Housing Rights Committee who recently went through her own personal eviction battle; and Peter Cohen of the Council of Community Housing Organization, who will offer an overview of the housing now being built and the challenges in meeting the needs of current city residents.

We’ll also be turning to you, Guardian readers, for your input and observations. And to help with that, the crowd will include veterans of the successful recent campaign to prevent high-ending clothing chain Jack Spade from opening a store in the Mission and the struggles to prevent the Lee family eviction and a mass eviction on Market Street that would be the biggest single eviction since the I Hotel.

Moderating the discussion will be yours truly, Editor Steven T. Jones, and News Editor Rebecca Bowe. So come join us from 6-8pm at on the fourth floor of the LGBT Center, 1800 Market St.   

Comments

realtors, brokers, financiers and developers who provide most of SF's housing, but I commend you for at least trying to achieve some kind of balance, rather than the usual echo chamber of usual suspects.

Posted by anon on Oct. 22, 2013 @ 5:23 pm

Those who like the way SF housing is going would have no need to attend such a meeting. So it will appear to those who attend that everyone opposes market-rate new build or Ellis/TIC conversions when, of course, for every person who dislikes them there is another person who benefits from it.

So I am not confident that objective minds will learn much here about what the silent majority think. They will learn what a small number of NIMBY's think.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 22, 2013 @ 6:07 pm

do with Ellis/TIC conversions which create no housing units.

Talk about biased.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 22, 2013 @ 6:28 pm

of new housing.

Then there are the tenant activists who think a tenant on a month-to-month tenancy should reasonably expect to stay for decades.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 22, 2013 @ 6:31 pm

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it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into repetitive reactionary hyperbole, and/or petty, mean spirited personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

proceed at your own risk

Posted by vlkhj on Oct. 22, 2013 @ 9:11 pm

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gobbledee gook salesman tries to break into skiball after it is closed!

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Posted by ikjdsh on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 11:30 pm

midnight ski-ball is now closed until next time

thank you playing

midnight ski-bal

be sure to scare up those dime and nickles for the next round....

Posted by ikjdshf on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 11:25 pm

this is simply a barricade against trolls

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into repetitive reactionary hyperbole, and/or petty, mean spirited personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

proceed at your own risk

Posted by vlkhj on Oct. 22, 2013 @ 9:12 pm

grab the ball for your shot and take it!

Posted by vlkdjgolijkfjlojfdoif on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:21 am
Posted by ljhdfgfljhkjh on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:31 pm

condo conversion must be undone

Posted by vlkdjgolijkfjlojfdoifdp on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:18 am
Posted by ljhdfgfljhkjh on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:33 pm

"So I am not confident that objective minds will learn much here..."

No doubt in your attempt to be self-righteous, you're often using words for which you don't know the definition. It must be increasingly embarrassing for you. In this case it's the word "objective." Yours is a subjective mind, not an objective mind with the word "mind" being used advisedly.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 2:57 am

yet might have been "neutral". The question with any meeting like this is whether it is engaged in a neutral, objective, dispassionate discovery of the truth, or whether it is a biased, partisan encounter designed to yell "ra ra" for one side, and make everyone feel comfortable about their prejudices.

A serious housing planning meeting would include people whose job it is to provide housing services, and not just a bunch of rabble-rousing tenants and activists who want a bigger free lunch.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 5:57 am

who want a bigger free lunch."

Awfully, neutral, objective and dispassionate of you.

Why don't you go to the meeting and share your wisdom (sic)? Maybe reach a broader audience than on a website you do your best to subvert.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 6:21 am

will not discuss, say, tax breaks to encourage more property owners to become landlords. Are you suggesting that some landlord-friendly proposals will be discussed?

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 6:47 am

topic you want at the meeting. What are you, scared?

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 7:11 am
Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 7:22 am

more than one side. Otherwise, it is just a wall.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 7:43 am

Ergo, the Wall of Commerce, the Housing Action Wall.

Posted by marcos on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 8:01 am

actually do something yourself.

Like joining habitat for humanity, for instance.

Or starting a fund to help new buyers find a down payment.

Or organizing to buy a building and turn it co-op.

No, you'd rather sit on your fat ass all day whining about others who do get things done.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 8:16 am

I've worked plenty on this issue as a volunteer, only to get undercut by the coopted nonprofits who are getting paid to preside over the demise of the communities they're allegedly paid to stand up for and represent.

Posted by marcos on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 8:34 am

If you try and change the entire city's policy on something, you will fail. you are just one voice and one vote. You cannot stop all construction, repeal the Ellis Act, or save everyone.

What you can do, along the lines of the "think global;act local" theme, is start small and try and achieve some minor victories. A building here, a co-op there, something achievable.

But trying to change the world and then giving up when people don't just hand it to you on a plate isn't productive, and nor is endlessly crapping on the non-profits who - for all their flaws - do achieve some good works.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 8:50 am

I'd set my sights so low that they were realistic. Problem is that only one side is playing to win and it is not ours. No more free labor to be traded away as chits by people who hate me and who are frittering away gains made long ago by others.

Posted by marcos on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:42 am

into the musée mécanique slots

and watch the victorian steakpunk skiballs roll!

skirting around steamventing holes

hoping to curve in

accompanied by hurdy gurdyish steam driven tin organ pipes

sounding like a tinny rendition of

bach's toccata and fugue

Posted by v on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 11:08 am

and win the brass ring! the ring of power!

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Posted by vlkd on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:45 am

throw with all your might! and believe!

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Posted by vlkdj on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:44 am

"would you like some toast?"

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neoliberal milktoast NGOs

and the world will be saved

very gradually

eventually

in a couple of millennia....

we shall overcome

some day

after we are dead....

Posted by vlkdjg on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:43 am
Posted by ljhdfgflj on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:48 pm

the wall on the waterfront!

tear down THAT wall bigtime! ;)

Posted by vlkdjgo on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:39 am
Posted by ljhdfgfl on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:49 pm

one person saying it. I'm guessing this meeting will be attended by middle-aged white liberals.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 8:13 am

the world is run by those who show up

not by those who say "shut up" ;)

Posted by vlk on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:48 am

the silent majority who make the real decisions at election time, which is why Ed Lee won by a mile even though you probably have never met anyone who supports him.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 11:00 am

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Posted by hndjkkjkjh on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 11:16 am

but throws that skiball with unparalleled verve and sharp eyed sharpness

Posted by ljhdfg on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:53 pm

enjoying himself immensely and saying "i showed up :)"

Posted by ljhdfgf on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:51 pm

tear down the walls

Posted by vlkdjgol on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:38 am

oh-oh-oh oh

the tide is turnin'

and throws that skeebahl masterfully!

Posted by ljhdf on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:54 pm

ooooo

dark minions don't like it when the fellowship meets at Rivendell to discuss how to save middle earth from mount doom

Posted by vlkdjgoli on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:37 am

and spends one fun night in the rivendell cellars playing midnight skeeball before the grim journey ahead

ale flows like water ;)

Posted by ljhd on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:57 pm

let's have a free-for-all about how rich people will unselfishly give housing to

EVERYONE

JUBILEE!

(and about that bridge in New York for sale on the cheap!)

Posted by vlkdjgolij on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:35 am
Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:42 am

you have taken a home from a poor person.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 23, 2013 @ 10:49 am

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